Episode 01: Call to Action

 
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I begin with Tameca Coleman, writer, massage therapist, singer & artist.

Everyday life calls the hero to action.

And that’s where we begin, “The Call to Action”.

The call to action may or may not be dramatic  a phone call, a conversation, an accident. Whatever the event, it disrupts  and challenges the hero’s “Ordinary Word”.

Links:

Tameca L Coleman

Tameca’s Patreon page

Tameca on twitter

Tameca on Medium

Tameca on instagram

100 Colorado Creatives

Literary Citizen

Transmit Regardless

Creative Music Works

Jessika Kenney

Eyvind Kang

Matthew Shipp

Michael Bisio

Khadijah Queen

Regis M.F.A. Creative Writing

Transcript:

Ordinary world

Heather: Oblivious of the adventures to come in a safe place, the hero begins their journey. Everyday life calls the hero to action. And that's where we begin, the call to action. For the next 12 months, I will follow the hero's journey inspired by Joseph Campbell, through the experiences and tribulations of visionaries known and unknown. Today, we begin with Tameca Coleman writer, massage therapist, singer, and artist. The call to action may or may not be dramatic. A phone call, a conversation, an accident, whatever the event, it disrupts and challenges that hero's ordinary world. Thank you for joining me on Mixed Metaphor., as we travel through the lives of many heroes and their journey.

Tameca reading her poem “To the Limiting Factors”:

I am an embryo. No more than that. I kick from the inside of my mother's belly with impatience. It is spring near time for the long labor where hands will turn me head first because babies cannot hit the ground running out of the stubborn embryonic sack.

Heather: You kind of wrote to me a little bit about your process and you talked a lot about going deep and researching mysteries. Can you talk a little bit about that researching mysteries?

Tameca: I think I have a lot of questions. Um, and I think I like, like I said, I like to learn things. Sometimes I get mad at myself because I like, uh, I of kind like being on a learning curve. I don't know. I don't like the feeling of being stuck and I also truly believe that all of those things affect whatever else you've learned and, um, hopefully create new things. Um, I might just be a Jack of all trades who just, you know, we'll never master anything that's a possibility.

Heather: Yeah. That's tough. I mean, accepting who you are. That's a huge thing. Huge. You also talk a lot about being kind of like a lone Wolf and uh, you know, making your own way? Can you talk a little more about that?

Tameca: Yeah. Um, it's a little bit self defeatist, um, because, um, I can't truly say that I've done on my own….Um, but in a lot of ways, um, I kind of have, um, what I have is, um, I think a lot of really beautiful people, um, and we see each other and, um, we, um, you know, tap each other on the shoulder and, and like, hey, you're doing great. Or like, Hey, um, I see this cool thing you're doing. Um, and all those things help a lot because, um, a lot of times I'm not able to see that or maybe the other person isn't able to see that.

Music playing.

I fancy myself as a lone wolf because I do want to feel some degree of freedom. Like if I belong to an artist collective, for example, um, how much of my work is actually going to be mine or how much time am I going to have for that, that goes the same with like academia, which I kind of have my toes in. And I'm always like whiffle waffling about whether or not I want to be there. Um, and the same, like other, other places in my life. Um, I know that, um, you can't really do a whole lot without community. Um, and, um, so that's been tough too. Um, so a lot of times when I'm like, I'm just going to do it by myself and whatever. I'll spend two years being absolutely miserable. So something I've always wanted is a real strong core foundation community. Um, I think of it as an Eddy, but what happens in an Eddy is you can get stuck there. Like if you watch a leaf in an Eddy, it just swells and swells and squirrels and maybe drowns. Um, but maybe it just jettisons its way out of it. Somehow, maybe the wind catches it or whatever, they're all kinds of things that happen. And I think there's a lot of power in the Edie too, because like that, if it keeps swelling, it keeps accumulating more energy. We have a different kind of thing, right, it affects everything around it.

Music playing.

Tameca: So I'm just trying to find ways to, um, I guess ride that line because obviously as a creative person, there's a lot of time that you need to spend alone, um, to be in that, that there's a certain part of the creative process that requires that silence and that stillness and that alone time. Um, and there's also another part of it that also helps me thrive, which is, uh, an exchange of ideas and, uh, like that learning part and, um, sharing.

Heather
Right. Yeah. Sharing is really important. It's it kind of pushes you out of your comfort zone a little bit, exposes you to things, especially if you're more introverted, you and I are the same that way. And then you get out and you're around people and then all of that kind of lives inside of you and you go home and you go through that process again. Could you talk a little bit more to the financial and time commitments that on top of the sort of emotional commitment that you're making and producing work,

Tameca: This is a really hard thing. Um, so I, haven't been doing a lot of music in a long time and a lot of it is because I've had to work. I just don't have time. Um, and the musicians I've been working with, they're committed to just being a musician and this is their life, no matter what, no matter, um, if they're suffering financially, um, no matter if they're just eating beans or whatever, for weeks on end, um, like they've made that commitment. And for a long time, I beat myself up about that because singing something that supposedly I do. Um, and I also need to feed myself. So that's, that's one thing is, um, financially I am taking care of myself, not always very well, um, but I'm finding ways to do that. Um, and I'm also always trying to make really specific decisions about the kind of work I do and how I'm doing it, um, so that I can live with myself. Um, and so that means being able to make time for my creative life and, um, exploration and learning the things that I want to learn and not just, uh, kind of bleeding out my energy for whatever, you know, whatever I'm beholden to at the time.

Heather: Yeah. I mean, do you find that I find it's really difficult sometimes when you want to do so many things that don't pay anything, but are hugely rewarding. In so many other ways. And then feeling that exhaustion of being all along yourself to people in too many directions, but you want to do it all, but it's like you need three other people.

Tameca: Yeah. At least, at least at least three other people, um, like real, super committed assistance or something, um, trying to get aid by something. I've had a lot of, um, projects, especially in the last couple of years, fall through my fingers. Um, because of that very thing.

Music playing.

Heather: At this point in the hero’s journey, there hero must leave the ordinary world. Heeding the call is the only way to move forward.

Tameca: I finished grad school and then I became a professor for a couple of semester, like really huge learning curve because I had no pedagogy experience or anything. Um, but I did have mentors, um, as much time as they could spend with me, which was really awesome and generous. Um, but I was doing that being a massage therapist and really, really wanting to get back to my work. And I was really trying. Um, and so I would add on these projects and they would just fall through my fingers. And, um, for a while I felt like I couldn't access my whole thoughts. Um, I feel like I'm finally coming out of that. Um, and, um, the, so this whole summer is trying to, I don't know, kind of find myself again, get on my own need again and just be able to think.

Tameca reading her poem “To the Limiting Factors”:
31 32 33, and there were so many voices. I am 41, 42, 43, 45 50. They are my well-meaning loved ones. Some prepare me for dreams that don't exist. Some prepare me to die. I've listened and forgotten that I am of my own yearnings.

Heather: You mentioned that one of your writing mentors said that writers are the people who create culture. I'd love for you to talk about that mentor in that process a little bit. And the second thing is, uh, I'd love to hear about your project Literary Citizen.

Tameca: Okay. Um, well, let's talk about the mentor first. Khadijah Queen is an amazing human, um, amazing, um, mentor, an amazing poet. Um she's um, and she was very generous during my MFA program at, uh, the mile high MFA at Regis. And, um, I, without her mentorship, I wouldn't have been able to, um, I, I didn't realize there were other people in the same conversation that I was in and I was like, wow, this conversation is here. And I have, I have a place in it and I'm not just talking crazy, you know? Um, and her work is fantastic also. Um, if you look up the Khadijah Queen, you can see for yourself. Um, and so I just feel really super lucky that I got to work with her and with all my mentors there, my manuscript opened up and I was able to talk about a lot more and kind of have the language or this experience where I didn't have it before. Literary Citizen, Um, I have failed and failed and failed again because I've tried multiple times with multiple different people, um, to start it up. Um, and I feel that it's a very good idea. Um, I just, uh, hadn't defined roles for other people. Um, so like I had the point Z idea, right. And I needed points a through Y that'd be like 8.1 8.2, et cetera,

Tameca signing “Juenteenth”


Tameca: Hey, um, hi, um, literary citizen, the goal there is to kind of be a satellite, um, for other artists and writers and people working in all kinds of different mediums or great things towards positive change.

Heather: Yeah. You talked, you talked a lot about how you kind of want to one of your goals, this to sort of amplify voices that are covered by, uh, other louder voices with stories that we already know, and that those are sorted that you call them. The in-between people you are in the top five of anybody. Of anybody I know who here's the call to action and does it, and I know you think I don't do that much, but you, I mean, if anybody has ever followed Tameca Coleman on social media, not only will you see her writing, you'll see her beautiful photography and her poetic fines that she stumbles across on her daily walk and commute, plus her music and her singing output, I’ll include links to all these things at the end of the podcast, um, Tameca is multitalented and a delight to have in anybody's life besides being incredibly kind. Can you talk more about the in-between people that you really want to interact with or give a voice to on kind of, I know you've got your writing, but what are your plans as far as how you would lift them up and then also, uh, I would love to hear more about your collaboration with Jessica Kenny.

Tameca: Ah, um, um, okay. Um, well, I mean, I think I've always been the same person. Um, I'd like people, even though, um, even when, even if, uh, um, often being around lots of was very overwhelming for me. I mean like most people I'm really freaking stressed out about like the way the world is, and I don't always feel like I'm doing enough. You know, like I ride the bus for 18 years. I've been riding the bus, being vegetarian, like these simple things that we can do, you know, to help like kind of environment and stuff. Um, but I feel like I'm not loud enough and I'm writing too much about my personal life and things like that. So I worry about those things. And, um, I also know that the person was political. And so even just by being, uh, uh, sometimes weird, like, uh, you know, person of color, I am walking, you know, it's politics just by being alive.

Right. Like I said, in my grad school experience, um, even there, I felt really alone. And, um, after I started, like started to, um, read other voices and gain some knowledge and start to have language for my experience, I wanted to find more people like that. Um, and not just who are, you know, black, white, native, or whatever, um, or necessarily, um, like folks who literally walked in between. Right. Yeah. I understand. I'm hoping that by amplifying what voices I can, um, um, that's what I would like to be able to do. Um, I'm not there yet. Um, I would like to be able to do that, um, cause there, I mean, there are lots of people I know who have beautiful work or beautiful stories and they're sitting on it and I'm like, Hey, I'm here if you ever want, you know, but I, I don't have the platform. Yeah.

Music playing.


Heather: Speaking of platforms, tell me about, Jessika Kenney and your new project.

Tameca: You're calling it a project? You introduced me to Jessika Kenny. Um, and also to Creative Music Works. Um, I'm on the board again. Um, and, uh, I've been watching, Jessika's work for a while, um, now, and just like, I've fallen in love with it. Like I can't really say that that's what's happened. Um, so for a really long time I've had this idea. Cause sometimes I'm like, you know, maybe I'm a little short on cash or, um, maybe I want to, um, collaborate with books. Um, I also don't want to overextend myself. And so I'm trying to figure out a way I'm trying to solve a bunch of problems by, um, making sure I get taken care of making sure I hold myself accountable because you know, even if it's just $5 also try to, um, heal my voice.

Um, because I haven't been singing in six or seven years, I let some stuff get to me. Um, I might write about that sometime. Um, essentially I was in some band projects that I really loved and they just exploded in the most negative possible way. And it was very heartbreaking and um, I just gave up and like soul level, like I just stopped singing. I remember exactly when it happened. It was like, my voice just gave out and I'm like, I wasn't even humming. Um, people ask me why I don't sing along when they're singing songs. Everyone knows stuff like that. Um, this idea I've had for a while is like, Hey, um, send me a song and I will learn it and just leave it open. I'm hoping no one sends me like the Charlie book, the Charlie Parker, omni book, or, you know, the hardest Aria ever created, um, because they don't have those kinds of chops.

Um, but I want to sing again and um, I want other people to help me do that because otherwise I won't buy more years ago by, um, so Jessika was the first person who, um, who sent me a message and I was really surprised and um, really, um, melted by that. And then, um, she sent me, um, this really sweet, uh, kind of riff that could be a loop and I'm like, okay, what do I do? This is Jessika Kenney. Um, so, um, I added another riff to it and, um, uh, and kind of improvised along and really the improvised chat is just like, Hey, this is kind of part of the process of getting there. And, um, she just sent me another one today, so I'm going to have to respond. Um, I said, it'd be really fun. I didn't think she was going to do it.

I was like, it'd be really fun to do it. Folks wanted to do some kind of musical exquisite corpse or something. Like you see a line, I see a line and we just keep going and see where it goes. Um, so there's another line that, um, that she sent me, uh, Jessica Kenny. I, is it Eyvind, Eyvind Kang? Cool. Yeah. Um, after that, I think I added them thinking they wouldn't add me and then, um, um, and they did, um, so I don't have like a formal place or that. Hmm.

Heather: Okay. Maybe it's time to get one to Tameca. Yeah. I mean, especially if you would like $5 from people you might want to think it through because maybe…people would be interested.

Tameca: I guess I could light a fire under my butt and start my patch me on. Y

Heather: Yeah. Now may be the time
Tameca: I will, I will do that this weekend.

Heather: Tell me more, Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

Tameca: I've started it. I just haven't, it's not like I just haven't put content or anything. Okay.

Heather: So I'm just saying for anybody who's hearing this to Tameca will be creating a Patreon page shortly where you can give her $5 to have her engage with you in a musical exchange. Okay. So tell me a little bit about Creative Music Works. I know, I know what that is, but I'm not sure everybody else knows. Um, and where it's located and the mission and how you got involved in, uh, what you love about it. Um,

Tameca: So Creative Music Works is a nonprofit organization, um, educational base, um, and that, um, helps to, um, bring more attention to and host, um, uh, like experimental music. Um, sometimes that includes dance, sometimes times that includes, um, uh, other mediums as well. Um, and it's, it's, um, hosted, uh, artists like David Torn and Jessika, Kenny and Eyvand. Uh,

Heather: And, um, you, it's a donation-based company, nonprofit. Um, and I know you frequently try and get specific people to come out. I know you were championing, um, Matthew Ship?

Tameca: Yes. Matthew Ship Trio and Newman Taylor Baker. There's some of my favorite people. Um, I love them so much and I really want them to come out here again. Newman hasn’t been here yet.

Heather: Tell me more about them and why you love them.

Tameca: One, they're just so kind, um, and gracious. And, um, I guess I hang out with them a little bit. The last time they were here, um, they had a gig at the old location at Dazzle in Denver. And, um, I mean, if you, a lot of times when we hear avant-garde meets and get like real kind of jarring and really, um, maybe even uncomfortable music. Um, and I love that stuff. Absolutely. Um, when you watch, um, Michael Bisio and Matthew Ship and Newman Taylor Baker, when you watch those guys play, um, it's really kind of a transcendent experience. Um, I watched both sets that night and, um, they left the stage high, like, you know, from that music from being in that music and everyone in the crowd was also there. Um, so it's real inclusive and, um, it's, it's just so beautiful, so beautiful. Um, and I think in a lot of different kinds of avant garde music, it's definitely a performance and the folks in the audience aren't necessarily taken with them and something I love so much. And I think what I've always wanted to move towards, I just, haven't been woodshedding shutting and practicing and, um, um, I might not have the chops to get there necessarily. And so, um, I really look up to them and wish I could spend more time with them.

Music playing.

Heather: Music, avant-garde music, the music scene. Um, can you talk to me about the influence of different types of mediums in your life because you have so many, and is there sort of a central core or theme that runs through the things that you like or are you just kind of attracted to a certain type of creativity?

Tameca: That's a really good question. Um, I think that, uh, there's so much to be interested in. Um, I remember this girl, Amanda Cobb in junior high, her mom told her something like if you're bored, you're bored with yourself. That really stuck with me because I think I used to be bored a lot all the time. And, um, I mean, she's right, you know, I mean, there's beauty everywhere. There's interesting things everywhere. There's like interesting conversations everywhere. Um, and, um, people are like, Oh, music's bad. No, like you're just not listening outside of maybe the radio or something.

Um, and, uh, there's interesting things happening all the time and, um, interesting things to learn just by creating something. Right. A lot of us get stuck in our little boxes on our cell phones or on the, you know, whatever. And, um, it takes away from that creativity.

Heather: Yeah. The fine line between creativity and distraction. Yeah. Um, so let's also talk about your past and where you grew up and, um, was there any kind of indicator, anything in your past or line you can draw from where you grew up to where you are now and the kind of things you're interested in? Have you always been the same or was it more of a progression as, as you moved around and explored your life more?

Tameca: Um, I was always a weird kid and, um, our, our home life was pretty troubled too. So I was always looking for a way out.

So like with the singing, the music, um, primarily that was kind of a way out for a while. Um, I'm needing to change that script now because I don't live in those circumstances anymore. And that way out didn't work for me actually. Um, and I think I remember there was this kind of pivotal points when I was a kid. I think one was, um, uh, school, talent show tryout. And I can't remember what grade it was like kindergarten or first grade or something. And, um, I didn't know how to play anything or anything, or I didn't know what I was going to do. I had waited a week. I forgotten about it. And, um, the trials were happening that day. And the teacher asked me to come up because I raised my hands, that I was interested in doing this. And I remember picking up the mallet for the XY vibraphone thing or xylophone and tried to play the piano and went up. I'm like, I don't know what I want to do, but I want to do something. And she's like, maybe you should try again next year.

And then I think another pivotal moment is, um, when my, before we left, um, my, my father became our family broke apart and became estranged from each other, um, for a lot of really important reasons. Um, and right before that happened, uh, my father started going to church and I think that was the first time music hit me in a way where, uh, I was just absolutely steeple. Um, there were things happening in the room. This was a Baptist church, I think on third things happening in the room. So much energy and people, you know, freaking out and talking in tongues and I'm singing this really amazing, uh, exuberant music. Um, and you can't help, but to be offended by it. And I think that's always been in my mind since, um, those two or three times that we went to church. Um, I'm not a church person, but there's a lot of power in that, in the ritual and the church and stuff, um, that has really stuck with.

Um, and so I try to be in music whenever I could after that. Um, and I think there were a lot of things I was afraid of because I've always kind of been attracted to, um, artists and stuff in different mediums. And I thought, Oh, well, I'm not dedicated to that. So I can't really do anything like that with like say, um, and I just, I like to collect these, so I take pictures of flowers on the sidewalk and like just interesting things or play with filters, um, with selfies. Cause I think that's really funny. Um, the whole selfie thing is funny, so I like to make fun of it and make it different. Um, and, uh, uh, fairly recently, um, people started saying, Hey, like Susan Freud from westward started saying, Hey, you need to be take that off of just Facebook. Um, and, um, actually telling me maybe there's something more to it than I'm just snapping fun pictures.

Heather: So you were also voted one of Colorado's 100 creatives on the westward by Susan Froyd. Um, can you talk about having that honor, what it meant to you and how that came about?

Tameca: I mean, essentially I got a message from Susan and said, Hey, you want to try the a hundred Colorado creatives survey? I wasn't totally sure what she meant, because at the time I was kind of trying to write for westward too. Um, and there have been a lot of shifts, um, with westward and I'm like, so I said, okay, sure. Like, Oh, I don't know what's happening. And so she sent me the survey, um, to take it as an artist, as a Colorado create it. And I was really surprised, um, because I don't, I feel like I've just been in my apartment for years and not really, um, been out there doing anything. Um, and it was another moment where my heart was melted a lot because, you know, there's like you get inside your head and you don't think anyone knows you exist. Right. And, um, you know, you have like this thing at home, it's like, Oh, I need to write, I don't know why it's freaking grueling and really, uh, devastating a lot of times, but for some reason I need to do it or I can't help myself too, but I have to keep taking pictures with my cell phone. Um, and I, um, for someone to say, Hey, this looks like arts mean was like really eye opening.

In a way it just, it felt really good. Um, cause there are a lot of artists out there. I think, I think a lot of us work from a mindset of lack and um, uh, and I've reached out to people and stuff to ask for advice and things like that. And um, I'm kind of the eternal student. Um, someone recently told me that I need to stop thinking of myself as a student. Um, and as, um, I don't know as a pro, I guess it's interesting.

Heather: I notice, um, I notice a lot of people have this idea of being an artist has to look a certain way or you have to achieve a certain amount of visibility or you have to have a certain number of shows before you can officially call yourself an artist. You know what I'm talking about. Um, but one thing I've come to realize as I've gotten older, that you can spot an artist a mile away just by the way they think and interact with the world.

And it's a very different paradigm. And you've talked about it quite a bit during this interview, uh, where there's sort of in inert, um, or a deep empathy that you have no control over and being aware of other people's feelings and kind of sensitivity to your environment visually or auditorily, and then this need, or this drive to express that you have no control over and the drive can be so intense. Like you were just expressing a second ago that you just have to sit down and do it. Can you talk more about that call to action or that drive ? And I'm going to bring us back around into the hero's journey, where we moved from the ordinary world into the call to action and this overwhelming kind of heartfelt need to express yourself.

Tameca: Um, my brain went, um, what was the first part?

Heather: So when you were, when you first go into that feeling of you need to write something or you need to sing something or you want to set something up, so someone holds you accountable because you know, you need to do this thing and there may be, are usually as no money in it.

But you're going to do it anyway because it's coming out from a deep part of you. Right. Can you talk more about that spark and how that happens, how it feels and then the process of, of the you and how you express yourself?

Tameca: I feel like process is hard for me to talk about because I feel like a lot of people have, it's almost like a ritualistic pattern that they do. Um, and a lot of times I have to find all kinds of different ways and surprise myself or trick myself to get into it. Um, uh, partially because my brain is just all over the place. I'm like thinking 15 things at the same time. Um, and my brain is racing as soon as I wake up in the morning. Um, and, um, these are things I'm trying really hard not to, uh, learn how to control with other practices and things. And then there are a lot of interruptions. So like I have clients and a, big break in the middle of the day and, um, or, uh, like stuff I need to do or whatever, I'm there, all those interruptions. So I don't necessarily have the privilege of being able to be like, Oh, this time of this time, these days of the week is always, when I'm doing this is I'm always doing this.

Um, because it's, it just worked that way. Um, so processes really part it's, it's more, I think it's more like impetus and then how do I get to it? It's like, I have a question, I have a burning question. Like, why do I feel so messed up? Or why, why aren't things making sense? Um, why, what does it mean to be, I don't know, a person, um, what does it mean to live a good life? Like how do I get to a place where I feel like I'm okay in my life, the way I'm living. Like if I saw myself from across the room, but I like myself those kinds of, things um, and I think for me, my process is also my life. Um, so I make very conscious decisions about what kind of work I want to do. Um, and what kind of person I want to be like.

Um, I remember in my undergrad, I was like, Oh, maybe I'll study law. And I remember thinking, wow, I really don't like myself when I go towards that direction because I can be really competitive and very cool and all those things. And I felt like that arena kind of brought those things out. And I also saw a lot of that coming out in the folks that I was surrounded by when I was working in those places. Um, and it was because that's their job. If we're talking about process, I think a lot of it has to do with curiosity and it isn't one specific thing. Um, unless it's, I don't, I really like to see how people move. I really see how people, how people's minds work kind of, but without picking it apart, like I like to let those minds be what they are as much as possible. Um, I'm, I'm I call myself like the owl. I like to be the owl in the room. I like to watch.

Heather: Um, if you were to give artists in high, let's just say high school coming up, realize beginning to realize, or maybe they're just started dabbling….That they might be going in this artistic direction, which as you, and I know is a very difficult life, but it is the life. You have no choice if you really wear that mantle of artist. Yeah. Um, there is a process of surrender to who and what that is, and sometimes it's multi-layered. So if you were to give advice to someone coming up, what would you tell them, given your broad experience over many mediums, um, and lots of exploration, what you've learned and what you think might help them?

Tameca: Um, I mean the first thing that comes to mind is just do it, don't hold yourself back from it. Um, I definitely got a lot of advice, um, very early on like, Oh, but are you going to make money at that? Or, Oh, what are you going to do with that kind of thing? You know? Um, which in a lot of ways was really debilitating because I did listen to that and I didn't believe that I was like, Oh, you know, maybe I'll go work at quest to get my bread and butter. And my insurance and I was miserable, it was miserable. I was miserable. Um, I also, um, a lot of my advice comes from other people, um, like my undergrad, Rebecca Foreman, um, she's a playwright and, uh, also the chair at Metro state college. I think it's a different name now. Anyway, um, she said, give your ideas a chance.

Um, I think that's really, really, really important. Give your ideas a chance. Um, and also a friend of mine and my undergrad, Adam Spear said, you have to have a lot of ideas because not all of them work, um, which is a really forgiving thing to cling to. Um, because, um, like I talk about things falling through my fingers. I talk about failure, um, and those are really important, uh, parts of process, you know, you have to try things out, you have to fail. It's inevitable. Um, what else would I say? Um, just follow your heart, just follow your interests and follow your heart. Um, I know for me, I don't, I have an idea what anything looks like. I have no idea of any end goal or anything like that. I just know that I have questions and I know I have, um, like this weird need to like express myself somehow. Um, and I know I'm curious about things and so I try to allow myself space to be like, Oh, I'm interested in this thing today and I'm going to check it out and maybe I'll still be interested in it. And it three months from now,

Heather; Okay. Tamecaa, tell the people where they can find you.

Speaker 3: (41:34)
Active on Twitter at siren beats poetry. I have a Facebook account and I'm hesitant to give that to too many people, but if folks sent me a message, like a real message, I would probably add them. Um, if they just, um, add me, I probably won't. Um, because I do more and more, especially in that space more to make personal connections. Of course, people can follow you on Facebook. And I do have, um, quite a few, uh, public posts. Um, and I'm Tameca L Coleman and I'm going to start a Patreon this weekend

Heather: And we'll include the information for that Patreon at the bottom of the transcript once we release this podcast. So you can go check out what Tameca, Tameca, thank you so much. I really can't express my gratitude enough. It's so nice to see you. It's been so long.

Tameca: It's good to see you. Um, thank you so much. You're welcome. I miss you guys.

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